# Vangelis - Main Titles Lead? **URL:** \ **Category:** Tips & Tricks\ **Created:** [19 August 2021 02:24 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594 "2021-08-19T02:24:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ZaneAlexander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@ZaneAlexander](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/ZaneAlexander)\ **Post date:** [19 August 2021 02:24 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/1 "2021-08-19T02:24:08Z")
Hi, [![](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/uploads/udo_audio/original/1X/7681b784bc60ffcdc28b758e297ae0cd9b5781ca.jpeg "Main Titles") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smpTDkLCYb0) I was trying to construct this lead (timestamped 1:27). From what I’ve read, it’s from a CS80, but I’ve not found info on the envelope shapes in that synth. My attempt used highpass on the Super 6 filter, vibrato from LFO 2, Legato mode, and Filter on the mod wheel, but I’ve not come as close as I’ve liked. Has anyone else taken a shot at making this lead? ---
**Author:** ![White\_Noise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c89c15/32.png) [@White\_Noise](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/White_Noise)\ **Post date:** [19 August 2021 02:49 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/2 "2021-08-19T02:49:59Z")
I haven’t tried, but I was looking at a CS80 clone before going with the Super6 instead, so I know a bit about the differences in architecture you might have to overcome. As I understand it, the CS80 has an ADSR amp envelope. However, the synth has two layers per voice, each with their own amp, filter, and accompanying envelopes. And further, each of those has a dedicated control for velocity amount to envelope, per layer. So recreating that multi-layer aspect on the Super6 is where I think a major challenge will lie as we may have two synth architectures per voice, but they’re not being addressed independently as separate layers as in a CS80, rather we get a stereo pair. Further, the filter envelope on the CS80 is altogether different from the ADSRs we have on the Super6. The CS80 filter envelopes are ASR, however they have an initial level and attack level, which the Super6 doesn’t have. I’m not sure exactly how the IL interacts with the filter setting, but I assume you can get around that by setting the cutoff frequency of the Super6 slightly differently from normal. That variable AL is going to give you trouble though, the only way I could see to mimic the effect on the Super6 would be to vary the amount of envelope being sent to the filter, then using a combination of filter setting and sustain to get your final filter frequency where you want to be. Again, though, the CS80 has two independently addressable filters, each with their own velocity that is changing all of this on every new note. My guess is to get close, the key is to get the correct amount of velocity routed to filter cutoff, filter envelope amount, and amplitude envelope amount. If the settings between both layers on the CS80 were close to each other, then the Super6 could get really close to the sound. ---
**Author:** ![Earlsfield78](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.udo-audio.com/earlsfield78/32/353_2.png) [@Earlsfield78](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/Earlsfield78)\ **Post date:** [30 March 2022 20:14 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/3 "2022-03-30T20:14:05Z")
you can get very close. first, bear in mind CS80 has a 2 pole filter, and also an option to create something of a state variable or bandpass filter by clicking both filter buttons. So this gives this brassy zingy tone, but cuts the lows. you on do this with saw on one oscillator, then set envelope to bring in second oscillator a bit larter and detune it. Saw/Square should be enough, key here is envelope on filter and vca. ---
**Author:** ![z64](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.udo-audio.com/z64/32/363_2.png) [@z64](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/z64)\ **Post date:** [14 July 2022 21:34 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/4 "2022-07-14T21:34:52Z")
Looks like @GEOSynths had a nice go at this 😄 [![](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/uploads/udo_audio/original/1X/7fcd625bf5f23bf8648802f7a840c489c699ec7f.jpeg "Visions - Patches 1 to 32 - UDO Super 6") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAodWlNL4tI) ---
**Author:** ![Earlsfield78](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.udo-audio.com/earlsfield78/32/353_2.png) [@Earlsfield78](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/Earlsfield78)\ **Post date:** [12 November 2022 22:03 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/5 "2022-11-12T22:03:04Z")
Ok so I have just done it. Pretty close, almost identical. Did the same on my Prophet 10 and Super 6. Will post video soon. ---
**Author:** ![Okke](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.udo-audio.com/okke/32/350_2.png) [@Okke](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/Okke)\ **Post date:** [15 November 2022 01:01 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/6 "2022-11-15T01:01:07Z")
Do you have a channel on youtube or somewhere, @Earlsfield78 ? ---
**Author:** ![Earlsfield78](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.udo-audio.com/earlsfield78/32/353_2.png) [@Earlsfield78](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/Earlsfield78)\ **Post date:** [26 December 2022 20:07 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/7 "2022-12-26T20:07:57Z")
I will pin it here mate, working on a multi patch sound design video. ---
**Author:** ![Acidizer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Acidizer](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/Acidizer)\ **Post date:** [31 December 2022 23:52 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/8 "2022-12-31T23:52:40Z")
Will you make a patch soundbank for sale? ---
**Author:** ![Earlsfield78](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.udo-audio.com/earlsfield78/32/353_2.png) [@Earlsfield78](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/Earlsfield78)\ **Post date:** [1 January 2023 02:13 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/9 "2023-01-01T02:13:26Z")
Both a few free patches and a 80 movies soundtrack inspired one that will be for sale. ---
**Author:** ![Acidizer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Acidizer](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/Acidizer)\ **Post date:** [1 January 2023 18:27 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/10 "2023-01-01T18:27:34Z")
Nice post on here when completed 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Earlsfield78](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.udo-audio.com/earlsfield78/32/353_2.png) [@Earlsfield78](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/Earlsfield78)\ **Post date:** [22 September 2023 19:48 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/11 "2023-09-22T19:48:39Z")
Super sorry for the delay. Will be ready next month. ---
**Author:** ![CRC](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.udo-audio.com/crc/32/609_2.png) [@CRC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/CRC)\ **Post date:** [23 September 2023 20:06 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/12 "2023-09-23T20:06:39Z")
This is also a sound I often try to make with all the synths I get. That 12db filter sound is something that you just don’t get with a 24db filter. My best attempt at this patch is with my OB-Xa, but that doesn’t have velocity or aftertouch, so it’s not as expressive. Anyways, enough talking, here’s my take with the S6 … > **[p1\_LA\_2019\_CRC.s6](https://www.dropbox.com/s/u1th3y7cb75vxbf/p1_LA_2019_CRC.s6?dl=0)** > > Shared with Dropbox … and ofcourse add a ton of reverb! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Earlsfield78](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/forum.udo-audio.com/earlsfield78/32/353_2.png) [@Earlsfield78](https://forum.udo-audio.com/u/Earlsfield78)\ **Post date:** [24 September 2023 19:02 UTC](https://forum.udo-audio.com/t/vangelis-main-titles-lead/594/13 "2023-09-24T19:02:27Z")
Close enough. Yeah, I wish we had 2 pole mode, but I do find it helpful to crank key track to max (something that works for me on Prophet 10 too when I am looking for this sound), gets to that brilliance zone. Working on the patch video as we speak.