I’m considering getting a Super 6 desktop module in addition to my keyboard (because of reasons ) and although I’m not aiming to use it primarily as an expander, I do wonder if anyone has successfully used it in such a way.
I remember reading somewhere that it was supposed to be able to act as an expander, doubling the voices and, I assume, also syncing any parameter changes from the panel or midi input.
Has this been implemented yet? Can anyone verify that this is working? And if not, is it on the horizon maybe?
You can control the desktop from the keyboard via MIDI (+ cc & nrpn) so faders, pots, program changes etc can duplicate across them as it is today.
I like to use them together for my performances by linking the keyboard to the desktop MIDI OUT to MIDI IN and ‘dual layer’ the sounds.
Expanding polyphony through ‘polychaining’ is on the plan for the Super 6 and will be implemented, however for me, I rather use them together more to layer two sounds.
This is great when you say have a pad on the keys and an arp on the desktop for example. The clocks can sync and you can sync the program changes which is handy.
I’m not sure what the usage scenario might be but but as long as you have program change TX and RX enabled, if you turn local off on the master (eg KB) the patch changes won’t affect the master but will be received on the slave (eg desktop). Same goes for any control changes.
I love my blue Super 6, quirks and all. It always sounds good, and its weapons grade bass is devastating. Currently I use Poly Spread mode on my Sequentix Cirklon to play mono synth voices as one poly synth. (Other cheaper devices, such as BomeBox do the same. Sequentix has a waiting list.) I will post on here when I get round to trying Poly Spread with MPE on my Super 6. It’s obviously not necessary, since voice allocation is done internally. However this could be how to create your Super 12 binaural, with X2 Super 6s.
I once had a Cirklon v1 but then I sold it And now I am on the waiting list for v2 but that might take forever. Not sure I would even purchase it again.
I’m not completely sure I am following your strategy with the poly-spread.
The way I know poly spread is this: The sequencer will send each note to a different channel so you can then patch each individual channel to a different synth. So using it for 12 voices, would use 12 midi channels. I don’t see how each S6 is going to listen to 6 specific midi channels simultaneously.
I think for this technique to seamlessly join two polysynths like the S6 the algorithm should instead send the first 6 voices to channel A and the other 6 to channel B. Possibly round-robin allocating each new voice alternating between channels A and B. I think this would be a very specific type of processing. Not difficult, just very specific for this use case.
I have a Blokas Midihub, that can do all sorts of midi processing, I think it includes poly spread, so I will see how flexible that thing is. It could work if the midi hub, after doing the poly-spread, could then limit filter midi output to only pass channels 1-6 and the other output to only pass channels 7-12. Then have each S6 respond to all midi channels (not sure if that is possible). Heck, maybe it can even merge the channels back into 1 channel, then it would definitely work…
So it turns out, yes that is possible! I don’t own two Super6s yet, but I might try it out with my S6 and Prophet6. Might give some interesting results anyway
In my opinion, Poly Spread allows you to get any digital multitimbral synth to have an analogue feel. Normally, all voices have identical settings of detune, cutoff, amp, envelope, portamento, effect send etc. In Poly Spread, each voice can be the same basic patch, saved individually for each MIDI channel, with “offsets”, as listed above. When you play the same note repeatedly, you would hear slight (or massive - your choice) diferences with each note.
It’s true, Sequentix Cirklon can’t output voices 1-6 on MIDI channels 1-6 on one port and voices 7-12 also on MIDI channels 1-6 on a different port. However, behaviour on Blokas Midihub or BomeBox can be programmed.
Sequentix Cirklon’s extra power is voice allocation changing from 1234 to 1324 to 1432 etc, etc. It changes when 2 or more notes are played. (That’s an example for 4 voices.) Pretty cool.
Anything further on the polychaining update? I have a Super 6 desktop and have an opportunity to pick up a second desktop unit. I would mostly use them as outlined here with different layers of sound. Also wondering, out on a limb, if there is any possibility of loading Super Gemini patches to two Super 6s connected together? I’m just wondering what the possibilities might be for linking them together beyond a straightforward MIDI implementation.
If you are using two desktop units, and therefore driving them both with external midi, then using a midi-thru box to duplicate the source midi on two ports will already stack them as layers, no?
And loading both patches together could be achieved with program change then.
Not sure what kind of integration you would like from UDO if you are wanting to play them as layers.
A midi thru box would of course not be needed if one unit could echo only midi notes, clock, program change, and a specific selection of CC for things like aftertouch and bend. But that’s very specific, and maybe a bit much to ask if there are solutions like a thru box available.
Yeah, layering is, I think, pretty straightforward. My question is more around doubling up the voices and how the binaural functions work between the synths if they are playing as one instrument. Also does one control both synths with one set of controls on one as the master and other as a follower with CC control? It might be quite simple but just not something I’ve done before.
) and although I’m not aiming to use it primarily as an expander, I do wonder if anyone has successfully used it in such a way.
